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aletheiafelineaIndecently longish, grossly spoilerous, mostly ignorant, inexplicably fannish, unapologetically subjective bunch of notes ahead. Your last warning.
UPSIDES
# Not like it was to really bother me, but I expected to be fed not just comic book science (not a problem at all; that’s the genre's right), but also comic book politics and comic book psycho-sociology (less forgivable, but I was ready to brush it aside). To my surprise, this time I wasn’t. Sure, you have to make some simplifications to squeeze complicated matters into two hours and some change, and I’m dead certain plenty of people out there are already picking at plotholes and whatnot, and often probably being right, but overall it hadn’t this cheap plastic feeling The Avengers or AoU had to me. Apparently the Russos & Co. - 3; Whedon - 0, as far as I’m concerned. :P I liked that at the beginning everyone was mostly right there, and a little wrong, too. Right about concerns and wrong about actions. And later, it was not as much wrong per se, as wrong convictions, admittedly with a solid dose of pigheadedness that could have been solved by sitting down and really talking (to quote Scott, what else's new). And later yet, I like that those who were wrong, admitted they were mistaken, once they realized they had bad intel. And in the end, it’s no reasoning anymore, just emotions. All in all, it’s not good vs bad, but a whole bunch of people saying and doing what they honestly consider right, and it still leads to a disaster. This gives the plot the taste of quite realistic frustration. Or, as some could notice, of something Greek and ancient.
# I liked also that the villain this time wasn’t another “Mwahaha, fear me, I’m stronger! I’ll show you who has the bigger weapon!”, but a powerless everyman who decided to sic the Avengers on each other. This was actually quite clever tactic.
# Yay Scott! Hi there, nice to see you again. I liked that they remembered to make his size influencing his speed.
# Yay Sam! I liked that he used the wings also for shielding this time. One needs to develop after all. You’ll see, in short time he’ll be trimming tree crowns after hours. And how about cloud sculpting? He totally can be a precursor.
# Wanda finally got some character.
# I’m sort of beginning to appreciate Natasha. She was the thinking one here. The only one?
# Aw, Clint. Okay, you may be the other mostly reasonable one, or at least the one caring more for friendship than winning.
# I loved the end credits animations, as usual. These share the first place with CA:TWS's, though they're very different.
ZONE OF PURE FANGIRLING
# Huh, the whole opening was pretty intense. *a fangirlish star of appreciation*
# Too bad that Bucky couldn’t have been carrying the other side of Peggy’s coffin next to Steve…
# You. Do. Not. Put. Bucky. In. Restraints. And. Into. A. Cage.
Never ever again after the Hydra, and especially not when the cage has him on display, and especially not when claiming good intentions. (*a fangirlish star of bittersweet drooling appreciation*)
# As I see it, Bucky recognized the beginning of the code and did his damnedest to get to the baddie and shut his mouth, preferably through the windpipe and preferably permanently. He just didn’t manage before the end of the sequence. I find it also quite telling that apparently he’d been able to break free all this time and just chosen not to.
# It’s painful to see him willingly going to sleep again, even if in a less brutal way, and even though it must be sort of relief to him (which makes it even more painful). And the arm, ow. Then again, at least this solves the trouble of scratching off that krasnaya zvezda…
# Why there was nothing at all about Bucky's backpack?!
NEUTRAL NOTIONS
Levelsides? *g*
# So, I take it Rumlow is dead? As in, killed to death? And he won’t walk it off? Too bad, he belonged to Bucky, as Pierce. (So I guess he avoided it as Pierce, dammit…)
# Judging on Wanda, telekinesis is bad for your nail work. Headcanon: she’s on quest to find a polish that won’t chip off the same day. Perhaps she should ask Natasha. “Been there, sis.” Wiping floors with enemy’s armies must be hard on your professional camouflage make up.
# *flourish facepalm with fanfares* Tony, you are really desperate if you’re enlisting kids, super or not. First you’re all for this responsibility of the Avengers and the need to watching them, and the next second you’re doing what? And come on, he even tried to be the reasonable one here, he told he had a homework. Come to think of it, this proves the point of the need to watch over at least one Avenger…
# Wait, this floating circus had had to be ready long before the Avengers even heard about the Accords. Which means the signatures were mostly a formality. And Tony knew that?
# So, half of the Avengers squad stays jailed? Looks like Clint's kids won't go to the waterpark after all, because Dad went to one... Maybe Mom will take them.
# I'm suspicious about Howard. You see a man while dazed from the crash, on a badly lit road, and you recognize him immediately, though you're supposed to having met him last time half a century ago, when he looked totally different, and knowing him for a couple years before that, never being that close with him anyway? Yeah, I know it was just to wring up the drama, but I'd like a little more complication here and Tony having to face the memory of Daddy even less saint than he used to think. That would wring up the drama even more.
# Huh, looks like for a second Tony was genuinely sure Steve was going to kill him, not his suit.
DOWNSIDES
# The ending and where it leaves everyone. Well, maybe except Kid in Tights, but we’re totally not talking about him.
# Bucky was unexpectedly... meek? ...for most of time, about everything. There's some life in him only in action scenes, but in spite of him being the secondary axis of the conflict, there wasn't much attention spared to him as the character. He's more object than subject again, which in his case is especially wrong, and yet he sort of accepts it. He's just pushed around and taking orders again, acting more on reflexes than aware decisions. I expected more anger from him, more waking up and wanting himself back. Even on this photo up there I expected him actually screaming something at Tony instead of just screaming. Before, there was a lot of talking about how he’s neither a Brooklyn boy nor the Winter Soldier anymore, but assembling yet another personality of the debris, and it was exactly what I wanted to hear, but there was hardly any of that in the movie itself. That is, beyond the visual design. This is actually the one well done thing about Bucky in the all three movies. But there’s more to a personality than just the look, and here it was mostly missing.
# CA:TWS caught me partially because it was low on spandex and generally low on anything Ridiculous & Gaudy. (And where it wasn’t, from that time I have already managed to came up with reasons for why the Winter Soldier’s arm looks, uh, the way it looks. Fan with enough motivation is able to came up with reasons for anything, and I’m a very well practiced fan. The reasons, if you care.) Civil War is less Aletheia-friendly in this department, though not as much as to really drive me away (fangirl, motivation, remember). Still, I furiously hate the design of Vision and I’m not even sorry for that. Poor Paul, I mourn what they did to you… Blame it on my heathen lack of the correct taste. Also, I like T’Challa more when he’s out of this rubber whatsit. And don’t even start me on Kid in Tights…
# Speaking of Vision, Paul Bettany and JARVIS’s personality are the only what saves him in my eyes, but I don’t like it that he’s not really JARVIS anymore. Friday (FRIDAY?) is a poor replacement.
# Speaking of T’Challa, the rubber whatsit even spoils his manners! Man, Clint was polite, first introducing, then fighting. And what he got for his effort? A rude reply. Unforgivable from a prince. Noblesse doesn't oblige anymore? Also, when the kitty (yep, I’m with Sam on this) takes just the headpiece off, he arrests the baddie instead of killing him. See? Point proven, rubber is a bad influence. ^^
# Sharon, oh crap… I found it a pleasant surprise in CA:TFA and CA:TWS that they both could be interpreted any way one liked: Peggy as the Great Love or as a fine friend + a whole sack of uncertainty about one’s feelings; Steve & Bucky as unrelated brothers or the Epic Love Story over decades and epochs. My private choice was gay!Steve & bi!Bucky, and the ELS, of course. Well, looks like the ambiguity and open possibilities has just ended, because this time it was clearly Steve’s choice and first move. And canon!Bucky clearly approves… *sigh* Okay, this means my private interpretation from now on becomes the private headcanon against the canon. I like Sharon and I wish her best. Just not in this role. That’s Bucky’s place for me.
# And when we’re at this, perhaps I have overdosed fanfics, but all this Great Epic Reunion of Cap and His Sarge felt somewhat lukewarm. There was more emotion in CA:TWS, when Cap was stunned with surprise and Sarge half-braindead. Here even this dialogue about lost money and some Dolores seemed out of the blue. That is, I’m sure approximately five hundred fics on this snippet only is being written right now, and it’s not like I’m not going to appreciate the hell out of them, but while watching I was rather “Wtf does it have to do with anything, and why is he recalling it at the moment? What brought up this particular memory and not some other?”. This particular scene felt like a half-assed try of assuring “Hey, they're friends, you know. Long time ones, really, scout's honor”, but the overall effect was like I knew they would let the world burn for each other, but only because I knew it, instead of seeing it. That’s not what I came for.
# Also: I fully expected Bucky was going to reply again “Not without you” when ordered to flee, and I was disappointed he didn’t. I decided to chalk it up to that he knew Tony was more after him than Steve. (Still a little disappointed.)
# Winter Soldiers, plural. And better than the prototype. Probably also more lives and personalities destroyed the same way as the prototype’s. Are you friggin’ kidding me?! That officially makes one royally pissed fangirl. I refuse to accept such bullshit and don’t even think about trying to play this way again, Marvel. Yes, of course it would be a reasonable move on Hydra's part, in tactical terms. I don't care about reasonable, we're talking a story here. You do not take away and dilute what makes him unique, heartwrenching and him. There’s only one Bucky and only the Winter Soldier, period. *growl*
# Rhodey. *sniff* Granted, at first I was almost sure he's written off for good, so maybe it's sort of an upside downside, but still...
CONCLUSIONS
# I wanted two things: a lot of Bucky without spoiling the character and Steve not getting a girlfriend. I didn't really care about the main plot and the level of stupidity in it. Surprisingly it turned out to go contrary to most of these expectations without being disappointing, mostly. Some things were disappointing, and I have a vague annoying feeling of 'too little', not as in 'yay, wanna moar!' (though this too) but as in 'wait, what about that Jupiter-sized hole in the background over there?' (that's actually a constant with these movies, to me), but the overall impression is positive. There are movies that are ‘good, but’, movies that are ‘not bad, but’, and movies that are ‘bad, though’. Civil War is a movie that is ‘good, even if’.
# Still, I need a bunch of fix fics. A lot of Bucky POV for starters. Also, I think I'm going to be cheering up at the sight of “non CA:CW compliant” tag.
# It wasn't as fast paced as I had feared, and I liked the dialogue/action ratio much more than in some others (The Avengers... XP), but still some half of it escaped me, so I need to see it again, with the rewinding at hand.
# Also I need to see the after credits scene as soon as they give up removing it from YT, since I've seen only the mid-credits one.
# As things are going, and taking into account some non-MCU canon details I catch here and there, I'm putting up a forecast: next time we get to see Bucky, he's being thawed up and welcomed by Tony with “Steve's dead, because he hadn't the shield on him. Here's the shield and a new arm, and guess what, you're not a sergeant anymore, oh, and sorry for my Dad, we uncovered some Hydra-stamped files about him and your old arm and the Winter Soldier project, so I guess this makes your account with him even. Still hating you for Mom, though.” And of course Bucky going “Wait, what? Oh come on, I let him out of my sight for five minutes and he dies again???” Yes, again. Who could even guess. :P Besides, that would explain the Sharon thing, because someone is going to be needed to cry after Steve, and Bucky is not on duty anymore (which I refuse to accept).
# How come I lack a Marvel icon? I'm getting sloppy.
# I didn't see the transit of Mercury. It was too late when I came out of the theater...
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# Not like it was to really bother me, but I expected to be fed not just comic book science (not a problem at all; that’s the genre's right), but also comic book politics and comic book psycho-sociology (less forgivable, but I was ready to brush it aside). To my surprise, this time I wasn’t. Sure, you have to make some simplifications to squeeze complicated matters into two hours and some change, and I’m dead certain plenty of people out there are already picking at plotholes and whatnot, and often probably being right, but overall it hadn’t this cheap plastic feeling The Avengers or AoU had to me. Apparently the Russos & Co. - 3; Whedon - 0, as far as I’m concerned. :P I liked that at the beginning everyone was mostly right there, and a little wrong, too. Right about concerns and wrong about actions. And later, it was not as much wrong per se, as wrong convictions, admittedly with a solid dose of pigheadedness that could have been solved by sitting down and really talking (to quote Scott, what else's new). And later yet, I like that those who were wrong, admitted they were mistaken, once they realized they had bad intel. And in the end, it’s no reasoning anymore, just emotions. All in all, it’s not good vs bad, but a whole bunch of people saying and doing what they honestly consider right, and it still leads to a disaster. This gives the plot the taste of quite realistic frustration. Or, as some could notice, of something Greek and ancient.
# I liked also that the villain this time wasn’t another “Mwahaha, fear me, I’m stronger! I’ll show you who has the bigger weapon!”, but a powerless everyman who decided to sic the Avengers on each other. This was actually quite clever tactic.
# Yay Scott! Hi there, nice to see you again. I liked that they remembered to make his size influencing his speed.
# Yay Sam! I liked that he used the wings also for shielding this time. One needs to develop after all. You’ll see, in short time he’ll be trimming tree crowns after hours. And how about cloud sculpting? He totally can be a precursor.
# Wanda finally got some character.
# I’m sort of beginning to appreciate Natasha. She was the thinking one here. The only one?
# Aw, Clint. Okay, you may be the other mostly reasonable one, or at least the one caring more for friendship than winning.
# I loved the end credits animations, as usual. These share the first place with CA:TWS's, though they're very different.
# Huh, the whole opening was pretty intense. *a fangirlish star of appreciation*
# Too bad that Bucky couldn’t have been carrying the other side of Peggy’s coffin next to Steve…
# You. Do. Not. Put. Bucky. In. Restraints. And. Into. A. Cage.
Never ever again after the Hydra, and especially not when the cage has him on display, and especially not when claiming good intentions. (*a fangirlish star of bittersweet drooling appreciation*)
# As I see it, Bucky recognized the beginning of the code and did his damnedest to get to the baddie and shut his mouth, preferably through the windpipe and preferably permanently. He just didn’t manage before the end of the sequence. I find it also quite telling that apparently he’d been able to break free all this time and just chosen not to.
# It’s painful to see him willingly going to sleep again, even if in a less brutal way, and even though it must be sort of relief to him (which makes it even more painful). And the arm, ow. Then again, at least this solves the trouble of scratching off that krasnaya zvezda…
# Why there was nothing at all about Bucky's backpack?!
Levelsides? *g*
# So, I take it Rumlow is dead? As in, killed to death? And he won’t walk it off? Too bad, he belonged to Bucky, as Pierce. (So I guess he avoided it as Pierce, dammit…)
# Judging on Wanda, telekinesis is bad for your nail work. Headcanon: she’s on quest to find a polish that won’t chip off the same day. Perhaps she should ask Natasha. “Been there, sis.” Wiping floors with enemy’s armies must be hard on your professional camouflage make up.
# *flourish facepalm with fanfares* Tony, you are really desperate if you’re enlisting kids, super or not. First you’re all for this responsibility of the Avengers and the need to watching them, and the next second you’re doing what? And come on, he even tried to be the reasonable one here, he told he had a homework. Come to think of it, this proves the point of the need to watch over at least one Avenger…
# Wait, this floating circus had had to be ready long before the Avengers even heard about the Accords. Which means the signatures were mostly a formality. And Tony knew that?
# So, half of the Avengers squad stays jailed? Looks like Clint's kids won't go to the waterpark after all, because Dad went to one... Maybe Mom will take them.
# I'm suspicious about Howard. You see a man while dazed from the crash, on a badly lit road, and you recognize him immediately, though you're supposed to having met him last time half a century ago, when he looked totally different, and knowing him for a couple years before that, never being that close with him anyway? Yeah, I know it was just to wring up the drama, but I'd like a little more complication here and Tony having to face the memory of Daddy even less saint than he used to think. That would wring up the drama even more.
# Huh, looks like for a second Tony was genuinely sure Steve was going to kill him, not his suit.
# The ending and where it leaves everyone. Well, maybe except Kid in Tights, but we’re totally not talking about him.
# Bucky was unexpectedly... meek? ...for most of time, about everything. There's some life in him only in action scenes, but in spite of him being the secondary axis of the conflict, there wasn't much attention spared to him as the character. He's more object than subject again, which in his case is especially wrong, and yet he sort of accepts it. He's just pushed around and taking orders again, acting more on reflexes than aware decisions. I expected more anger from him, more waking up and wanting himself back. Even on this photo up there I expected him actually screaming something at Tony instead of just screaming. Before, there was a lot of talking about how he’s neither a Brooklyn boy nor the Winter Soldier anymore, but assembling yet another personality of the debris, and it was exactly what I wanted to hear, but there was hardly any of that in the movie itself. That is, beyond the visual design. This is actually the one well done thing about Bucky in the all three movies. But there’s more to a personality than just the look, and here it was mostly missing.
# CA:TWS caught me partially because it was low on spandex and generally low on anything Ridiculous & Gaudy. (And where it wasn’t, from that time I have already managed to came up with reasons for why the Winter Soldier’s arm looks, uh, the way it looks. Fan with enough motivation is able to came up with reasons for anything, and I’m a very well practiced fan. The reasons, if you care.) Civil War is less Aletheia-friendly in this department, though not as much as to really drive me away (fangirl, motivation, remember). Still, I furiously hate the design of Vision and I’m not even sorry for that. Poor Paul, I mourn what they did to you… Blame it on my heathen lack of the correct taste. Also, I like T’Challa more when he’s out of this rubber whatsit. And don’t even start me on Kid in Tights…
# Speaking of Vision, Paul Bettany and JARVIS’s personality are the only what saves him in my eyes, but I don’t like it that he’s not really JARVIS anymore. Friday (FRIDAY?) is a poor replacement.
# Speaking of T’Challa, the rubber whatsit even spoils his manners! Man, Clint was polite, first introducing, then fighting. And what he got for his effort? A rude reply. Unforgivable from a prince. Noblesse doesn't oblige anymore? Also, when the kitty (yep, I’m with Sam on this) takes just the headpiece off, he arrests the baddie instead of killing him. See? Point proven, rubber is a bad influence. ^^
# Sharon, oh crap… I found it a pleasant surprise in CA:TFA and CA:TWS that they both could be interpreted any way one liked: Peggy as the Great Love or as a fine friend + a whole sack of uncertainty about one’s feelings; Steve & Bucky as unrelated brothers or the Epic Love Story over decades and epochs. My private choice was gay!Steve & bi!Bucky, and the ELS, of course. Well, looks like the ambiguity and open possibilities has just ended, because this time it was clearly Steve’s choice and first move. And canon!Bucky clearly approves… *sigh* Okay, this means my private interpretation from now on becomes the private headcanon against the canon. I like Sharon and I wish her best. Just not in this role. That’s Bucky’s place for me.
# And when we’re at this, perhaps I have overdosed fanfics, but all this Great Epic Reunion of Cap and His Sarge felt somewhat lukewarm. There was more emotion in CA:TWS, when Cap was stunned with surprise and Sarge half-braindead. Here even this dialogue about lost money and some Dolores seemed out of the blue. That is, I’m sure approximately five hundred fics on this snippet only is being written right now, and it’s not like I’m not going to appreciate the hell out of them, but while watching I was rather “Wtf does it have to do with anything, and why is he recalling it at the moment? What brought up this particular memory and not some other?”. This particular scene felt like a half-assed try of assuring “Hey, they're friends, you know. Long time ones, really, scout's honor”, but the overall effect was like I knew they would let the world burn for each other, but only because I knew it, instead of seeing it. That’s not what I came for.
# Also: I fully expected Bucky was going to reply again “Not without you” when ordered to flee, and I was disappointed he didn’t. I decided to chalk it up to that he knew Tony was more after him than Steve. (Still a little disappointed.)
# Winter Soldiers, plural. And better than the prototype. Probably also more lives and personalities destroyed the same way as the prototype’s. Are you friggin’ kidding me?! That officially makes one royally pissed fangirl. I refuse to accept such bullshit and don’t even think about trying to play this way again, Marvel. Yes, of course it would be a reasonable move on Hydra's part, in tactical terms. I don't care about reasonable, we're talking a story here. You do not take away and dilute what makes him unique, heartwrenching and him. There’s only one Bucky and only the Winter Soldier, period. *growl*
# Rhodey. *sniff* Granted, at first I was almost sure he's written off for good, so maybe it's sort of an upside downside, but still...
# I wanted two things: a lot of Bucky without spoiling the character and Steve not getting a girlfriend. I didn't really care about the main plot and the level of stupidity in it. Surprisingly it turned out to go contrary to most of these expectations without being disappointing, mostly. Some things were disappointing, and I have a vague annoying feeling of 'too little', not as in 'yay, wanna moar!' (though this too) but as in 'wait, what about that Jupiter-sized hole in the background over there?' (that's actually a constant with these movies, to me), but the overall impression is positive. There are movies that are ‘good, but’, movies that are ‘not bad, but’, and movies that are ‘bad, though’. Civil War is a movie that is ‘good, even if’.
# Still, I need a bunch of fix fics. A lot of Bucky POV for starters. Also, I think I'm going to be cheering up at the sight of “non CA:CW compliant” tag.
# It wasn't as fast paced as I had feared, and I liked the dialogue/action ratio much more than in some others (The Avengers... XP), but still some half of it escaped me, so I need to see it again, with the rewinding at hand.
# Also I need to see the after credits scene as soon as they give up removing it from YT, since I've seen only the mid-credits one.
# As things are going, and taking into account some non-MCU canon details I catch here and there, I'm putting up a forecast: next time we get to see Bucky, he's being thawed up and welcomed by Tony with “Steve's dead, because he hadn't the shield on him. Here's the shield and a new arm, and guess what, you're not a sergeant anymore, oh, and sorry for my Dad, we uncovered some Hydra-stamped files about him and your old arm and the Winter Soldier project, so I guess this makes your account with him even. Still hating you for Mom, though.” And of course Bucky going “Wait, what? Oh come on, I let him out of my sight for five minutes and he dies again???” Yes, again. Who could even guess. :P Besides, that would explain the Sharon thing, because someone is going to be needed to cry after Steve, and Bucky is not on duty anymore (which I refuse to accept).
# How come I lack a Marvel icon? I'm getting sloppy.
# I didn't see the transit of Mercury. It was too late when I came out of the theater...
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Date: 2016-05-11 06:31 (UTC)Yes, I agree! I really liked that everyone had good reasons for taking the position they did. I didn't like that they had to fight, but I was glad that we could understand where they were coming from.
There's some life in him only in action scenes, but in spite of him being the secondary axis of the conflict, there wasn't much attention spared to him as the character.
I agree with this as well. I would really have liked to see more attention given to Bucky's character! I do think that withdrawal instead of anger seems like it could be a legit reaction, but still, it would have been good to see more of him as more than something to move everyone else's plot along. I hated seeing him put back on ice too! :( I wonder if he might be back in the Black Panther movie, though, since he's in Wakanda. Someone needs to fix his arm!
I also didn't like Steve and Sharon, not just because he belongs with Bucky (although obviously he does belong with Bucky), but also because it seems super creepy to me to get involved with the niece of the woman you loved! Right after her funeral, too!
Edited to add: I liked your metal arm justifications! Usually I just assume rule of cool, haha.
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Date: 2016-05-11 16:55 (UTC)Exactly.
I do think that withdrawal instead of anger seems like it could be a legit reaction
Yes, this could be plausible. It's understandable that he's just fed up, longing for peace at last, and anyway he must feel quite lost. I'd love to see something like this, and with more complexity, maybe in stages: first withdrawn and subdued, and this building up to outburst of pain, when cornered. But this would demand exactly what was missing there, that is the plot spun around him as one of protagonists rather than the plot pawn he was. So:
it would have been good to see more of him as more than something to move everyone else's plot along.
This.
I wonder if he might be back in the Black Panther movie, though, since he's in Wakanda.
Huh, I didn't think about it, indeed. Perhaps I have a reason to see the Black Panther movie after all, or at least to keep watch on it.
Someone needs to fix his arm!
Tony, of course! :> (Shut up, Tony, it's only fair. ^^) With a slab of vibranium courtesy of T'Challa, who I think still feels a bit guilty about his mistake on Bucky, too.
it seems super creepy to me to get involved with the niece of the woman you loved! Right after her funeral, too!
Yikes, you may have a point... (Though I'm pretty sure no one would approve more than Peggy herself. XP)
I liked your metal arm justifications! Usually I just assume rule of cool, haha.
I'm glad it works. :) For me it usually is "Yeah, cool and all that... but still, why???" And anyway as I said, reasoning for fun! :)
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Date: 2016-05-17 20:52 (UTC)Yes, I did like that.
Very much agreed about the villain/antagonist.
Loved Sam using his wings defensively.
# As I see it, Bucky recognized the beginning of the code and did his damnedest to get to the baddie and shut his mouth, preferably through the windpipe and preferably permanently. He just didn’t manage before the end of the sequence. I find it also quite telling that apparently he’d been able to break free all this time and just chosen not to.
I don't have nearly your appreciation for Bucky, but I really liked that scene.
Looks like Clint's kids won't go to the waterpark after all, because Dad went to one...
That's terrible XD
The after credits scene is all Spiderman, so maybe you don't actually want to see it :P
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Date: 2016-05-18 17:01 (UTC)Feel free to tune out my squee! ;D I'm well aware I'm at the stage where I tell myself the story & character at least as much as I actually see it, and fill up for the lacks. Especially that he really got plenty of screentime and almost no screenattention this time, so to speak... At least comparing to CA:TFA, where he was already a fully developed character (which is actually what fascinates me way more than this raccoon make-up and whatnot - the total de- and reconstruction of personality, in place of more popular building up of a character-to-be), and to CA:TWS, where he got just minutes, but made big impression every time.
The after credits scene is all Spiderman, so maybe you don't actually want to see it :P
Yeah, so I hear, but since I've already paid for it... XD
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Date: 2016-05-17 21:24 (UTC)In general, your review leads me to believe we're thinking more or less in the same direction with this movie, except I'm probably not as emotionally involved in this: I guess there's the "ooh shiny new thing!" aspect lacking for me, and more like "oh a new marvel, let's see how much you are gonna follow in your precessors' steps." And suddenly Bucky and geriatric road trip material adoration definitely helped me warm up to this one XD
ll in all, it’s not good vs bad, but a whole bunch of people saying and doing what they honestly consider right, and it still leads to a disaster. This gives the plot the taste of quite realistic frustration. Or, as some could notice, of something Greek and ancient.
hah, that's a very big compliment to pay in my books! the flavour might be a bit too mild to call in ancient Greek, probably - I thought the narrative was closer to anchoring them in human rather than superhuman conflicts (selfish agenda vs righteousness). But I see what you mean all the same.
You. Do. Not. Put. Bucky. In. Restraints. And. Into. A. Cage.
I was upset when they did that, too! Which a) goes to prove that it was a nice buildup to actual violation of this imprisonment by the villain, bc you're filled with dread already and b) made an impact even after the realisation that Bucky could have broken free anytime and had just chosen to hand himself in. Good job, I say, as I still get upset at seeing Bucky next to any container big enough to fit (and freeze) him.
this floating circus had had to be ready long before the Avengers even heard about the Accords. Which means the signatures were mostly a formality
Cap had a reason to refuse to sign anything in three days, is what I'm (and my IR trauma is) saying. I'm not sure how much of it Tony knew about (that would require me to pay attention to the plot more XD) but it was clear accord and controls like that weren't designed in a week.
Huh, looks like for a second Tony was genuinely sure Steve was going to kill him, not his suit.
Was a very cool establishing moment, imo!
Still very impressed by all your reasons for Bucky's arm anatomy :D Though to be honest with you, the first thing I remember in this context is Stan's ridiculous lube jokes on the interviews on this subject :'D
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Date: 2016-05-18 17:29 (UTC)I guess there's the "ooh shiny new thing!" aspect lacking for me, and more like "oh a new marvel, let's see how much you are gonna follow in your precessors' steps."
Yep, definitely. I've come from the opposite direction. I've come attracted by the Winter Soldier and got the rest of MCU in the package. And this was still my main (only?) reason to watch CW.
hah, that's a very big compliment to pay in my books!
As in mine! I highly appreciate plots that try to go beyond simple black & white narration. And yeah, I thought I was overreaching a bit with this ancient Greek, but still - not bad for a flick made mostly of explosions. :) Besides, I see the whole superhero genre as the modern American mythology, and I'm deadly serious now.
it was a nice buildup to actual violation of this imprisonment by the villain, bc you're filled with dread already
This, and it shows again that Bad Things Happen When Bucky's (Anyone's) Free Will Is Violated. Even if his last act of free will is surrendering to it.
Cap had a reason to refuse to sign anything in three days
Yeah, it all was terribly rushed. Sure, it's a movie, it needs to be fast, but... they didn't even get time to read it properly.
Was a very cool establishing moment, imo!
Effectively emotional and speaking, for certain. Shows how far they went - and how far Steve did not go, in spite of all.
Stan's ridiculous lube jokes on the interviews on this subject :'D
So far I haven't really focused on him that much (I'm more Bucky's fan than Stan's for now), but indeed, I'm getting vibes that he seems going Misha Collins on fandom. Man, tread carefully, you don't want this path! :) Next thing you know you'll be getting gilded invitations with cute little dumpsters on them, asked for opinions on NC-17 rated fanarts in front of the audience, and groped like a chicken checken for fatness.
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Date: 2016-05-18 21:13 (UTC)rinka says the only reason Steve is not jumping on the "this is a love story" bandwagon with all the jokes like the other two is because he's valianty trying to stay a real-life Disney prince. While Stan seems to test the limits of his contract all the time XD
I think I need to take a closer look at interviews and all. :) That is, as soon as I run out of fics, so, well... *g*
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Date: 2016-05-19 07:50 (UTC)Hahaha, re:interviews, I never have any patience for them in video format, so all I see of them is tumblr gifsets with images and captions. But there are things like that (http://izumisays.tumblr.com/post/144520627738/holahydra-bowie28-the-director-says-that-the) ... :')
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Date: 2016-05-19 18:03 (UTC)Everything documented! 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGWNTApidT0&feature=youtu.be&t=303), 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9dlSkEQLWo&feature=youtu.be&t=2181) :) Okay, I maybe except the other two, one of which I know only from written reports, and one I won't find so soon. If SPN fandom has a thing it's good at, it's thorough documentation. *g*
But there are things like that ... :')
Ah, yeah. Usual dancing around the matter. As long as it's only their semi-private semi-official opinions, it's oh-so-cute and fandom loves them, but if the studio involves, it can backfire at everyone. A friend shown me once an official promo clip of Teen Wolf, going waaay beyond anything Stan & Evans say here and basically summable as "stop wrinkling each other's shirts and get a room, you two". Reportedly, once it turned out that the promo had nothing in common with the actual content of the season that came after it, the TW fandom exploded, to put it mildly.