Aletheia's

I do agrree, though, that there are other factors to identification than gender - DEFINITELY!
(though here, too, I blame the writers )

As for strong women = feminist = good, liked character - please pardon my Hermione moment - that is first wave feminism. Second wave is from the seventies. this is such an old fashines feminist perspective ugh!
*steps off of soapbox*


For me, and I so don't mean to put down characters other people love - you might want to skip to the next paragraph - till season 7 there was not one single woman/girl character the show bothered to give depth, certainly not like the boys, but not even like Bobby or John. Some were made awesome by fandom, but mostly one the show - ugh ugh ugh ugh - they made me extremely uncomfortale and embarrassed for the writers, and I am still pretty pissed off about that, not to mention Kripke blaming fans for his bad writing.
Not that season 7 fixed that, very well, but it certainly got better.


M-preg - I meant I felt it used elements of that trope - not the that being pregnant was a weakness - that, I supposed changes from person to person?
I agree this was not a cool queer play on gender roles and more just the stereotypical femme fatal, too!


(and I posted the first half of this reply someplace wrong! sorry!!11 )