I'm a women and I don't see the whole 'supernatural is the worst ever to women' thing. Some people turn watching movies and such into some weird contest of "Who Can Find the Greatest Number of Faults in Anything", which is actually counterproductive, because if there's no pleasing them, then there's no sense in even trying, not to mention they come off as ever-wailing infants rather than seriously concerned folks they apparently pose for...
The gratuitous objectification scene in Phantom Traveler where Dean is laying in bed and is leered at by the camera. Ah yes, but it's a case of female gaze being implied - through the fourth wall - and not actually being there, because there's no female character watching in the scene. Therefore, it's not really relevant to the picspam's theme. That would be rather a material for another picspam, "Female Gaze Through the Screen". :) Maybe some other day...
As for the ghost in white and the vampiresse, these are examples of cases I just left out - as I wrote, my list wasn't supposed to be really complete; just the biggest ones, especially those being whole scenes or significant parts (also in the script), not just small details that could have been hastily added in the filming. I wondered about the ghost, but it works rather as the whole episode than any given scene.
Perhaps I haven't done myself clear in the entry, but I don't see most of these cases (or female gaze in general, or any gaze) as wrong by default. The show's most basic feature and foundation is being emotional porn, so to speak, therefore the basic reason of character's existence in SPN - any character, no exceptions - is dying and/or suffering and/or being assaulted, also sexually, and also being an eye candy by the way, because it's TV. Therefore I have no problem with this all just being there; I judge only the context of any given case and what interpretation the show seems to offer me. So, I'm okay with stripping fanservice (though I'd rather it was better justified by the plot) in anyone's case - Dean, Sam, Bela or else - because it's not these characters' only or even biggest purpose, and all of them have also well developed personalities and huge influence on the plot. I'm also okay with Abaddon being violently stabbed to death, because this is what you get for being a villain of season(s) and being also woman shouldn't make you a holy cow; also, the context was "look, how the Mark makes Dean lose control over himself and turns him into a monster". I'm even more or less okay with Gertrude's scenes or Heddy & Beverly's, because the show doesn't try to make me take their side; they are shown as icky and ridiculous, and the viewer's sympathy is directed toward the assaulted part. On the other hand, I'm NOT okay with our dear Grabby Pamela, because apparently the show tries to sell me her as 'strong woman' and shows her behavior as acceptable and cool. Sorry, show, but no. There are other female characters (Ellen, Jody, Bela, to name only some) that are truly strong - and not prudes either - without shoving their not-prudeness down anyone's throat, viewer's throat including. Keep up the good job with such like these, show, and ditch all Pamelas (which, thankfully, aren't that numerous in the first place; we get more Ellens and Belas, and that's also why I'm okay with the show in general).
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Some people turn watching movies and such into some weird contest of "Who Can Find the Greatest Number of Faults in Anything", which is actually counterproductive, because if there's no pleasing them, then there's no sense in even trying, not to mention they come off as ever-wailing infants rather than seriously concerned folks they apparently pose for...
The gratuitous objectification scene in Phantom Traveler where Dean is laying in bed and is leered at by the camera.
Ah yes, but it's a case of female gaze being implied - through the fourth wall - and not actually being there, because there's no female character watching in the scene. Therefore, it's not really relevant to the picspam's theme. That would be rather a material for another picspam, "Female Gaze Through the Screen". :) Maybe some other day...
As for the ghost in white and the vampiresse, these are examples of cases I just left out - as I wrote, my list wasn't supposed to be really complete; just the biggest ones, especially those being whole scenes or significant parts (also in the script), not just small details that could have been hastily added in the filming. I wondered about the ghost, but it works rather as the whole episode than any given scene.
Perhaps I haven't done myself clear in the entry, but I don't see most of these cases (or female gaze in general, or any gaze) as wrong by default. The show's most basic feature and foundation is being emotional porn, so to speak, therefore the basic reason of character's existence in SPN - any character, no exceptions - is dying and/or suffering and/or being assaulted, also sexually, and also being an eye candy by the way, because it's TV. Therefore I have no problem with this all just being there; I judge only the context of any given case and what interpretation the show seems to offer me. So, I'm okay with stripping fanservice (though I'd rather it was better justified by the plot) in anyone's case - Dean, Sam, Bela or else - because it's not these characters' only or even biggest purpose, and all of them have also well developed personalities and huge influence on the plot. I'm also okay with Abaddon being violently stabbed to death, because this is what you get for being a villain of season(s) and being also woman shouldn't make you a holy cow; also, the context was "look, how the Mark makes Dean lose control over himself and turns him into a monster". I'm even more or less okay with Gertrude's scenes or Heddy & Beverly's, because the show doesn't try to make me take their side; they are shown as icky and ridiculous, and the viewer's sympathy is directed toward the assaulted part. On the other hand, I'm NOT okay with our dear Grabby Pamela, because apparently the show tries to sell me her as 'strong woman' and shows her behavior as acceptable and cool. Sorry, show, but no. There are other female characters (Ellen, Jody, Bela, to name only some) that are truly strong - and not prudes either - without shoving their not-prudeness down anyone's throat, viewer's throat including. Keep up the good job with such like these, show, and ditch all Pamelas (which, thankfully, aren't that numerous in the first place; we get more Ellens and Belas, and that's also why I'm okay with the show in general).